Celebs Who've Done The Most With The Least

[TheDawnOfDarkness]

Celebs who've done the most with the least according to Dish tv magazine


1.) Paris Hilton
2.)All reality show contestants
3.) Jack and Kelly Osbourne
4.) Ryan Seacrest
5.) William Hung
6.) Anna Kournikova
7.) Anna Nicole Smith
8.) Ashton Kutcher
9.) Pamela Anderson and Carmen Electra
10.) Dr. Phil
11.)Carson Daily
12.) Britney Spears

Add to the list people im gonna add

Hillary Duff

[ragingflea002]

Done the most with the least? Explain. I lost logic today.


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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[TheDawnOfDarkness]

In other words are famous but have no talent.

[LadyoftheDeadlyDance]

How about that chick from Evanesance? Sure, she's got a beautiful voice when it's recorded. But she's awful live.

[xWildfirEx]

What now?

[ragingflea002]

Ok, then here we go:

Linkin Park
Good Charlotte
Avril Lavigne
blink-182
John Mayer
Justin Timberlake*
*All former boy band motherfuckers
Slipknot
Switchfoot
Hilary Duff
Lindsay Lohan
ALL RAPPERS
Most people associated with Disney Enterprises
ALL REALITY SHOW HOSTS AND CONTESTANTS
Jessica Simpson
Dave Navarro and Carmen Electra
Carson Daly
George Bush
Alanis Morisette
Hayden Christainsen
Courtney Love
Sluts(HBO and Cinemax. They can't do a job worth s**t)
Osama bin Laden

I have more, but I'll see how many responses this one gets before posting another.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[layzcarter]

[quote]ALL RAPPERS[/quote]



I agree with most of what you said, other than that.

How is it that all rappers do not have talent? Personally I can't start spitting out ryhmes. I can't keep with the beat for sh*t. So I imagine it takes some talent to accomplish what they do. And a lot of rappers come from little money and still manage to make something of themselves. I'm not saying all rappers come from the f*ckn ghetto so don't take it that way please. I don't see how it takes any less talent to rap than it does to "rock" or sing folk music.. or pop... You don't have to like rap, but to insult it and say it doesn't take any talent is going a little overboard. I can understand where you are coming from if you are only listening to what they overplay on the like.. top 40 radio station or whatever... but honestly.. not all rappers are like 50 cent. Most have talent.

I also consider coming from nothing, and making your way to fame and riches to be somewhat commendable. Considering how many people think they can rap now adays.. i would imagine it's hard to set yourself apart from the rest.

How do you think Jay-z is where he is now? You think it didn't take any talent to get where he is? The man has talent. Do me a favor and listen to his album Reasonable Doubt. Then go on about talent. Fame seems to have weakened his production quality though.... I'll admit that . He took chances and stuck with it to climb the ladder. Rappers aren't little f*ckn blonde girls with breat implants and nose jobs. They aren't handed deals and fame because they are pretty and can almost carry a tune. Give them a little more respect than placing them on a list with Hilary f*ckn prepackaged Duff.

And when I use Jay-z as an example, I'm speaking mainly of his early work that defined him and put him in the spotlight. Not sh*t like duets with Beyonce. And i use him as an example but there are others that you should listen to before you base your opinion on rappers like 50cent and f*ckn Nelly. Biggie Smallz, Talib Kweli, nas(back in the day.. not so much now)... You don't have to like them.. but give them some respect which they most certainly deserve.

I posted this response in the rockvsrap topic... so if ya wanna reply to this might as well do it there to not go too much off topic here.
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[n8comics]

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] Ok, then here we go:

Linkin Park
Good Charlotte
Avril Lavigne
blink-182
John Mayer
Justin Timberlake*
*All former boy band motherfuckers
Slipknot
Switchfoot
Hilary Duff
Lindsay Lohan
ALL RAPPERS
Most people associated with Disney Enterprises
ALL REALITY SHOW HOSTS AND CONTESTANTS
Jessica Simpson
Dave Navarro and Carmen Electra
Carson Daly
George Bush
Alanis Morisette
Hayden Christainsen
Courtney Love
Sluts(HBO and Cinemax. They can't do a job worth s**t)
Osama bin Laden

I have more, but I'll see how many responses this one gets before posting another. [/quote]
Well goddamn ^_^ Why is it that everyone on the FAC forums always insist on being anti-stereotypical, as if they're the rebels who see through the bullshit of all popular, rich, celebrities. That all famous persons have no talent, that they're all faggot assholes who never should have been a celebrity in the first place. Most of the celebrities you posted have millions and millions of fans each (with the exception of Osama Bin Laden, reality show hosts and/or contestants and some other retards you mentioned who I don't know who the hell thy are.) This kind of makes me think that you try to mention as many popular celebrities as possible to round up a couple of yahoos to say, "hell ya! they sux0rz!" when really they don't know what the f**k they're talking about. Maybe it's jealousy, maybe it's being an assclown, but you've seriously have to mention celebrities with NO talent, not ones that you think you can be a martyr to shoot down.
When you look at the list from Dish TV Magazine, you can see that they're REALLY people with no tallent, I agree with it wholeheartedly. But when we look at your list, flea, we see talented stars/celebrities who've become famous because of their TALENT. If you look at some musicians like Linkin Park, Good Charlotte and Blink-182, they're all bands who've worked their asses off to get as far as they did. Unlike Paris Hilton who can spawn a sex tape once in a while and use her parent's money to make herself look like a blowup sex toy barbie slut. That I agree with you flea ^_^
But hey, we're all entitled to our own opinions, and it's not like I disagree with your entire list. Alanis Morisette: definately needs to be on there. One of the most horrid singers I've ever heard, I swear whenever I hear her it sounds as if she's getting fucked while she's singing. Too many moans and crap like that for me... Justin Timberlake: well, you have to admit that he has talent, he can sing better than most all other male pop stars (white anyway.) But he definately has an agenda of his own... I suppose many people (mainly jealous teens who are loosing their girlfriends to boyband's "sexy boyish appeal") began to hate all boybands after a while. Was never really a fan of his, but he's got talent. He just needs to be less self absorbed (he's an ass and deserves to be on the list.) Hilary Duff: a chance to be a star, shrouded with a crappy preteen disney channel show and horrible movies. She could be great, but again people have grown to hate her, along with many teen celebrities because "they're inexpirenced and just too damn richer than I am." (Jealousy is what I'm hinting at.) Osama Bin Laden: well... duh.
Well, those are most of who I agree should be on the list, but I do disagree with people like George Bush and Lindsay Lohan. First off, Lindsay Lohan shouldn't be up there because she's about ten times the actor of Hillary Duff and all of the other "teen actors" out there, but I do recall you saying something like you disliked her because she "can't play the guitar." Well, she can... and she doesn't fake it like Hillary Duff does. It's still true that Lohan is still ten times the musician as Duff is. (Isn't Duff the name of the brand of beer in the Simpsons?) She doesn't fake it, and she's not a crappy "pop" singer either. She, quite frankly, shouldn't be on this list at all. (Oh, just a side note... I hate how all disney teen actors are all magically "musicians" aswell as actors. Ever notice this?) As for Bush... Well you have to admit he isn't the best President we've ever had, but he isn't the worst. You have to keep in mind that this upcoming election, even if Bush loses, doesn't mean that Kerry is a better president. More than half of the people who've voted in the polls voted for Kerry as Bush-haters. Meh, those are statistics for you Anyway, back to the point, just because you don't like Bush doesn't mean that he's a bad President. You can come up with all the other little bullshit reasons and bullshit "mistakes" that Bush has done, but keep in mind that you couldn't do half the job that he can. No one should be able to talk about someone without being able to do what that person can. Trust me, people who think Bush is a dumbass and can't be a President worth crap probably couldn't do half as good a job as he's done. So tada. There's my two cents.
For the record, I do agree with carter (now keep in mind that I'm not a loyal fan of rap, but I do listen to it on occasion) because rappers DO have talent. Go ahead and try to spit out 70 words per minute, can't can you? As I said above, if you can't do what they can you have no authority to say they suck. Another thing, just because you don't like rap, doesn't mean that they're no talent morons. Rappers can't rock, rockers can't rap. They're two different things, get over it and don't cross eachother's lines Only the Transplants can do that.
The end.

[fallenangel]

First of all...

There's a difference between talent and luck. Here's an example.

~ One band works for ten years writing their own music, playing clubs and being stiffed, living in a warehouse, and building up a fanbase in hopes a label rep will come see them play and offer them a deal. Finally, after being a group no one will touch with a ten foot pole because they're too "risky" and "different", a label takes a chance and signs them, and because they're so "different" and "new" they become huge. (consequently rival labels sign the next most popular bands in competition, but that's a whole other issue)

~ Band number 2 is a bunch of suburban brats who think being a rock star is "so cool". They see Nirvana and Linkin Park on tv and think they've got the best job in the world. Especially after the Nirvana revolution, kids see the simple music and think "I could do that!". So the suburban brat pack buys some guitars, learns a few power chords, and being as they really have nothing worthwhile to say, write a bunch of cliche lyrics about depression and their angsty little teenage lives. They play a few gigs around town then send a tape off to a record label. The label sees the pretty little teenagers, listens to the tape of whiny teenage angst, and signs them on the spot. Slap on a bit of Hot Topic window dressing and convince them to give their music enough of a pop hook and a few pro songwriters to make suggestions and you've got yourself a #1 MTV group.

Now, is that to say band number 2 has [i]no[/i] talent? Not really, they may be able to come up with a catchy melody here or there and have mediocre musicianship. However, they are a formulated, glossed over bitch of the label. And that's also not to say the only good bands are the ones who never bend to their label, that's not true. If you want to stay signed, you have to make compromises. But when there's 6 bands that come out at nearly the exact same time and look the exact same way...that's not a coincidence. And that's not one original band being signed then 10 other clones being signed. That's pure and simple label molding.

So there's a difference between being a skilled musician with a message and being a media whore that just wants attention. Most of the artists Flea mentioned are the latter. They may have some skill, but they have no talent. And ya know what? We're not trying to be these uber cool rebels who hate mtv. If you read more than one thread in the music forum, all our favorite bands were insanely popular. Guns n' Roses, Poison, Motley Crue...they were all huge trends! But they all fall under the category of Band Number 1.

Here, I'll even give reasons for my list. And my opinions of some of Flea's:

Good Charlotte - Classic band number 2. Their music is simple in a bad way. It's not rebelling like Nirvana's music was. The roots of grunge rebelled against the hair metal decade of huge productions with pyro and lights and complex guitar gods. What's Good Charlotte rebelling against? Nothing, they're running along with the "THIS COULD BE YOU!" rock star trend of mediocre musicianship and mall rat lyrics. That's not talent. That's relatively skillful copying and some damn good luck.

Avril Lavigne - Label's bitch. She has no talent. Nothing about her is her! It's all a label mold. Look at her right before she was signed, then look at her after. She did not "find herself" and suddenly become punk. She's doing exactly what the label tells her to do, exactly what they want her to write (or "sing"), and looking exactly how they want her to look in order to sell. She has no more talent than the average choir girl in any city.

Justin Timberlake/All former boy band motherfuckers - nothin' to do with jealousy, babe. What is a boyband? It's a little group of choir boys singing someone else's catchy tunes and learning someone else's dance steps. Where's the talent in that? It's average skill that could be found in thousands of people. It's just a novelty that they're attractive and make little girls wet themselves. That's not talent. That's luck that they were the ones chosen.

Hilary Duff - Disney's bitch. Same as Avril. Oh, and for either of those, if you try to argue "but they do write some lyrics!!!!". Uh, read the lyrics. Then try to defend their so-called "talent".

Lindsay Lohan - What the hell does she even do? She's been in a few crappy movies and is only popular 'cause she's runnin' around like Paris Hilton, drinkin' with her tits falling out. So talented.

ALL REALITY SHOW HOSTS AND CONTESTANTS - Self explanitory. I didn't know sitting on an island then fuckin' any celebrity that'll look at you was a talent.

Carson Daly - Again, self explanitory. He can count, and he can swing from the balls of the latest teen craze. What a guy!

Pamela Anderson - Hey, have you seen Tommy Lee? I'd say handling him is a pretty good talent. But she is a dirty whore who should burn in hell.

Osbourne kids - Uhhh, I won't start the controversy of whose fault that is here.

William Hung - He called our house. He needed info about a pokemon tournament (my dad works for wizards part time...bleh). No comment about his "talent" 'cause one isn't needed.

Britney Spears - Now this is the one I don't understand. Ok, so everone gets their panties in a bunch over the boyband (punk or pop) issue, but everyone accepts Brit. She was a "talented" little kid. She did the same thing as Justin. She can sorta dance. She can almost "sing" other people's lyrics just as good as the other thousand wannabes. You can't pick and choose. They all suck or none suck.

Amy Lee - Like someone said, she sounds talented on record but is shit live. The magic of post production. A little fix here, little adjustment there, and those thousand takes she did can turn into something not half bad. However, if you can't do it while performing, your supposed recorded "talent" doesn't count. You could take William Hung and turn him into a world-class singer in post production.

So once again, there's skill and luck and then there's talent. Skill is nothing special. There are millions of people out there who can dance and sing just as good as the current pop stars. But they're either not as attractive or just not lucky enough to be "discovered". Talent is something unique to that person. A band with a signature sound, look, skill, and writing talent combined makes a talented band. A mediocre amount of musicianship and label whore lyrics and image is not talent.
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[ragingflea002]

Anyone who uses Disney to get a recording contract is screwed. Why do all the Mouseketeers become strippers afterwards?

Those people I listed didn't have the talent to make me like 'em and I don't want to hear any "You're picky" or "That's not talent, it's your preferences". No, that's not what I mean. I heard them, and I was not impressed with what I heard because it was too simple. For example:

The Disney Boybands: Same thing over and over. Love, love love. Shut up. I can sing about love, for Christ's sake.

Lohan: Learned 5 power chords and starred in a movie to advertise. Talent? No. Lucky? Yeah....

Duff: Sings like s**t, and her writers must know with what they write for her.

Rappers: It's excessive rhyming that you basically learned in kindergarten. They may speed it up, but it's essentially the same. Plus, have you seen the enormous number of rappers coming onto mainstream? Talent comes in short bursts, not armies. Some rip off other rappers. Screw some, a lot.

William Hung: Funny little bastard. The dude got a recording contract for being a funny little bastard. Made us laugh.

Plus, it's my own opinions on a few people I personally feel like they made it through pure luck.

Fallen's perspectives always make me smile.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[fallenangel]

The list of people who are famous for doing absolutely nothing is very very small. Paris Hilton runs around whoring it up. But ya know what? She has a skill in getting media attention. She knows how to make people look at her and keep her name in the news. That's a skill.

Pamela Anderson, as much TALENT as she lacks, is a model and actress. She used to be pretty and, like Paris, knows how to keep her name in the papers. That's a skill. But it's not talent (though I would still argue it takes talent to handle Tommy...even if she is a mean bitch. Shaddup, you knew I'd side with Tommy in the whole fighting issue).

Carson knows how to kiss ass. That's a skill. He also knows how to make himself seem more important than he really is. Hell, any VJ has done that since the very beginning. Really, what's so special about Riki Rachtman? Nothing, but he convinces you that he's good at something (actually Riki was the best VJ ever and [i]was[/i] cool, but still goin' with him as an example).

It's all a rather silly argument. Nothin' to do with hating something because it's "trendy" or just because we don't like them. I don't like the Beatles, but I'm not about to say they had no talent. And I don't like Metallica, but they have talent. Both of those were/are hugely popular as well. It's nearly impossible to debate the merits of anyone without a standard definition of what is skill, talent, and luck. And I think it's pretty obvious we don't have one.
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[layzcarter]

[quote]Rappers: It's excessive rhyming that you basically learned in kindergarten. They may speed it up, but it's essentially the same. Plus, have you seen the enormous number of rappers coming onto mainstream? Talent comes in short bursts, not armies. Some rip off other rappers. Screw some, a lot.[/quote]

Saying that it's kidnergarten rhymes that they speed up, is a little ignorant on your part. I don't hear a whole lot of rappers spitting out verses about little boy blue and Mary's little lamb. And even if I worked at it everyday.. I could never rap. I'm going to ask you straight up what rappers you are listening to. Answer truthfully.

And of course there are going to be a number of artists coming onto the scene when it's such a popular genre. I don't expect them all to be blessed with talent. That would be stupid. Just because they top the charts doesn't mean they have talent or respect in the rap community. Which is why there are not numbers upon numbers of rappers who really stand out and are at the top of the game. And I'm not talking about at the top of the charts.

Have you noticed that I don't talk a whole lot of smack against rock? That is because I don't know a whole lot about rock, and therefore if I started running my mouth about how all rockers were talentless hacks, I would sound rather ignorant. No offense to you, but you might want to study the history, the scene, and the players before you knock the game. Perhaps if you said "all rappers I hear on the top 40 pop chart" are talentless.. then I could see where you are coming from. But you are going off on artists when you havn't heard their skills, or even heard their names. It's like me saying all men are jerks.. when I've only had my taste of a small number of them.

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[n8comics]

[quote]There's a difference between talent and luck.[/quote]
I have to give it to you, very true. Although you could have just said this instead of giving examples ^_^ Although the examples weren't half bad either. Kudos to you.

[quote]William Hung: Funny little bastard. The dude got a recording contract for being a funny little bastard. Made us laugh.[/quote]
Yeah, funny little bastard :)

[quote]Have you noticed that I don't talk a whole lot of smack against rock? That is because I don't know a whole lot about rock, and therefore if I started running my mouth about how all rockers were talentless hacks, I would sound rather ignorant. No offense to you, but you might want to study the history, the scene, and the players before you knock the game. [/quote]
[quote]No one should be able to talk about someone without being able to do what that person can. If you can't do what they can you have no authority to say they suck.[/quote]
Yes, if you don't know the genre, if you can't do what they do, you can't assume or create a stereotype that they all suck. I can say Hillary Duff sucks because, well I'm too old to be "Disney's bitch." ^_^

Well with this stuff settled, what say you that we add to the list (And I'm shocked flea, shocked that you didn't reply to my George Bush comment Did I make a too good of an arguement? I think not... shame on you ^_^)

[fallenangel]

I could have, but a rant for a rant, my friend.


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[TheDawnOfDarkness]

That was too much reading for me :wacko: ... If I knew this post would make a little problem like this i wouldn't have posted it, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not everybody has the same opinion so its ok. settle down

Anyways I attached the actual article this time. I accidently ripped the corner but I taped it back together and its still readable so um yeah. Here it is:

[ragingflea002]

[quote="n8comics (Nate)"] Well with this stuff settled, what say you that we add to the list (And I'm shocked flea, shocked that you didn't reply to my George Bush comment Did I make a too good of an arguement? I think not... shame on you ^_^) [/quote]
I was waiting for that post. Thank you Nate.

Bush showed skill in the election basically because he knows that if you promise to a really big, impossible, idea, you get votes, if it's in favor for the people. When he got if office, he, like all politicians, abandoned those ideas, except for tax cuts, which is killing us at the moment. He has very little talent in running a country, let alone running and invading another. Anyone can say "ATTACK!!" and "Mission: Accomplished".

Layz, I've been forced to listen to Jay-Z, Eminem, Kanye West, Ludacris, 50 Cent, D-12, and Lil John and the Eastside Boyz. I can hear what they're saying and I'm telling you, as my opinion, that they have no more talent than a kindergartener rhyming about Mary Had A Little Lamb, they just change it to "Mary Was A Little Ho". Rapping doesn't necessarily mean "70 verses a minute", it means rhyming to a beat. A beat used by other people at the same time. I don't like it. My issue with it is I don't like it. I can rap, kindergarteners can rap, rockers can rap(some, poorly. I'm looking in your direction, Axl), Jesus could rap. It's rhyming, and that's usually all it is.

Joleen, not to be mean or anything, but "too much reading"? How?
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[TheDawnOfDarkness]

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] Joleen, not to be mean or anything, but "too much reading"? How? [/quote]
Well im not that big of a fan of reading a whole lot of stuff (like in school when i had to read 1000 pages per quarter and write down all the books i read. I started to read the books but then i would just quit and write down the book.) and i was trying to read what everyone said which i thought was alot.

[ragingflea002]

So you start a thread. I see.......

Damn Tylenol...why won't it kick in yet....


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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."

[TheDawnOfDarkness]

[quote="ragingflea002 (Flea)"] So you start a thread. I see.......
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Well i never thought people would write that long of answers. from now on im just gonna skim through all the posts. Thats so much easier.

[ragingflea002]

But less acurate.

Anyways, rapping is rhyming and that's all it is. The images used by rappers is not rap, because that image was not there when rap was created. Rap was created using chants in the fields of plantation owners by the enslaved Africans. Chanting and rhyming.

I'm going to add one thing to both Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff. Lindsay is already stripping for RollingStone and others, and Hilary will be next. Mouseketeers will become STRIPPERS. It's proven through Aguilaria and Spears.
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"The separation between spirit and logic is reasonable because spirit is defined by faith and logic forces others to think about what they have faith in."