Jojo

[fallenangel]

... ... No. You're talking about the little girl with songs that don't even suit her, right?

No.
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[Riyo]

I hear she's retiring. I think she said so on TRL.... Or atleast that's what I hear...

I'm just wondering why a 13 year old girl is singing about sex...
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[fallenangel]

Because 16/17-year-old Britney in a skimpy school girl outfit wasn't enough to keep the pedophiles buying records anymore?

It's because sex sells, and they had songwriters for her, so who really cares about artistic integrity, right? If she wrote the songs herself they'd be (other than bad) all about how much her parents suck and that cute boy in math class. No one wants to hear songs about that. Then again, I don't particularly want to hear songs from a 13-year-old period.

What happened to having some level of experience before being thrown a contract?
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[BML]

for the record, i think hearing a 13 year old talking about sex is much more appealing than hearing about a 50 year old madonna doin it.

personally, not a big fan. gettin a lil tired of pop-rap.

[Diathene]

I think it's pretty obscene to sexualise a barely pubescent girl like that. At least Madonna is legal.

[fallenangel]

[quote]for the record, i think hearing a 13 year old talking about sex is much more appealing than hearing about a 50 year old madonna doin it.[/quote]

:huh: Why? A 13-year-old girl who shouldn't even be considering such things (let alone whoring it around on tv) vs a woman who's...had a lot of it? Madonna paid her dues, regardless of what she did afterwards being good or not, n' her singing about sex makes sense. Her entire career has been very sexual, but she was at least legal when she started.

A 13-year-old girl is gross and annoying. Just a more obvious "I do what the label tells me to do" signal.
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[Papercut_Dragon]

That one song she has on the radio sounds really immature. In the chorus, she says "leave" and then there's like.... a group of 5 year olds shouting "leave" in the background. It's something you'd hear on Kidz Bop, which is where I'm betting her songs end up.
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[anime_chick]

[quote]a group of 5 year olds shouting "leave" in the background. It's something you'd hear on Kidz Bop, which is where I'm betting her songs end up.[/quote]

Yup!

I agree with everyone else...

A girl whose 13 shouldn't be singing about Sex....

Come to think of it... :huh:

I already think lots of people think she's a Slut.....

Or atleast a Whore.....
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[Riyo]

I personally think no song should end up on KidzBop, no matter how terrible. They just make it worse.

If I hear "Leave (Get Out)" One more time I will go insane.... It's everywhere! It's even getting more annoying than hoobastanks "The Reason" it's not a bad song, just played every twetny minutes.(I'm talking about "The Reason" here)

JoJo is the new Britney Spears! Just younger... So does this mean she will be like Britney is now at the age Britney started? If so... RUN!!!!!!!!

I just wish bubblegum pop would die.... Or maybe just JoJo.
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[plungergirl]

You see, this is the reason that I don't listen to most popular radio stations, or watch music TV very often, because I have to see and hear that pathetic stuff all over the place... They make up that little girl like a teenager (which, on second thought, is sad that anyone dresses like that, even teenagers) and she sings about sex, and things that a very young teen shouldn't have experience with, in my mind... and I agree with fallen about 13 yr olds as opposed to 50 yr olds... maybe this is a surprise for you, but guess what?? People over 50 have sex, too!! The sad thing is, as well, is someone could come back and say that 13 yr olds have sex, too... at least Madonna doesn't make me shake my head at society...

[ragingflea002]

JoJo...

Should I ever meet her, I shall make sure that a song of intense hate and evil shall be blown through her brain.

Seriously, she's younger than me, can sing about sex, and looks like she's a dime a f**k whore. The style she uses is s**t.

Hate it. Hate her. Hope she chokes on a small dick in the near future.
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[jb_dominick]

Who the... f**k... is Jojo? Sounds like one of those small wiener wraps I buy at the local deli.

Please clue me in, all I'm getting from you guys is, "OMG! I'm lyke, so jealous of her! She's all famous because she's pretty, [i]I[/i] should be famous instead of her because I'm a fat whore." [angry face]. Come on, don't play the jealousy card people, just because it worked in the past being surrounded by others who are just as jealous as you.

Also, don't talk about people you haven't met personally. You can't go calling people f**king whores behind their backs without knowing them first. Holy f**k, you guys piss me off, seriously. Aparently every famous female that creeps up onto the stage must be a f**king whore. I think I speak for the unspoken when I say, "Grow the f**k up, get some boobs, get some dick enhancement pills, once you're as pretty as them - who the f**k cares anymore. It's not all that's cracked up to be." Seriously, stop ranting on about how she sings about sex and how she dresses, which ultimately makes her a whore. I'm a drummer in a band that sends out a message of despise and death, but am I a hell-bound hateful, suicidal f**k? Nope. I'm a regular good-hearted Christian bastard.

So don't make assumptions. Unless you make up some bullshit about you meeting her one on one and Mrs. Jojo told you to go "fetch her water," you ain't got s**t to say bud. This applies to all of you.

I bet you guys didn't know that she was on [i]Kids Say the Darndest Things[/i] and preformed for them because of her [i]spunk[/i] and not because she popped a breast or something. Oh, did I mention her mom was a church soloist who used to sing to Jojo? Yeah, apparently you can't make up some s**t about her parents aren't caring and are all hell-bound anyway for letting their daughter prance around in a belly shirt (whatever the f**k they're called.) Just because you don't look good in them, doesn't mean that whoever wears them are fuckers. Get off of your "the world revolves around me" s**t, it doesn't really help the fact that you're attempting in making a point.

Just FYI, she writes her own songs.

You can't say s**t like "Oh she's 13, she should be talking about sex!" Thirteen is around the age when you start taking sex-ed class isn't it? Yup, sounds about right. Anyway, don't play all innocent, because you damn well know that all young teens are perverted, disregarded little whore fucks. The guys are, the women are. We all are - plain and simple. Remember back in the day when we used to tell dirty jokes with our friends that we damn well didn't tell around your parents? Yeah, those ones. I haven't heard Jojo's songs but I'm absolutely sure she doesn't talk about "beating fetuses senseless and using their dying corpse to beat the elderly to death." Yeah, welcome to our world. I'll bet she doesn't talk about how penises look like "mishapen bananas that would go nicely with a hot fudge topping." You know you're one of these perverted bastards. Admit it and stop playing your pussy "mature" card.

Oh excuse me, the writers of Aaliyah and Ginuwine also assisted her album.

[i]"My mom and I lived in a rundown one-bedroom apartment and we lived off very little money. I wrote "Keep On Keepin' On" because I knew I wasn't the only one going through hard times,"[/i]
While you sit here and flame here, read this. This is the only thing you have to read. A little 13 year old girl grew up in a Christian house with only the hopes and dreams to live off of, and you're calling her a slut. Now please - think about what you say, think if it would be harmful to people you don't know.

Thanks for reading.

[ragingflea002]

I think this needs to be said:

They lost their right to NOT BE TALKED ABOUT when they became rich and famous. Constitution or not, they lost it all. I can fuckin' talk about her all I want. She won't do a damn fuckin' thing about it. Honestly, she's roughly 3000 miles away for Christ's sake.

Look, if she writes her own songs, then she has the mind of a dirty whore to me. My opinion. Dammit, you wanna fight me for a fuckin' opinion, you're more than welcome to, just not here. We gave our fuckin' opinions and I'm in no mood to deal with moralities.

Besides, if we didn't JUDGE her, she wouldn't be FAMOUS.

Think through the fuckin' industry,

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[jb_dominick]

Which song(s) does she sing all "dirty?" I've listened to seven of them in the past hour and I haven't heard any sexaual references, just tell me the name of one song she sings like a whore.

If not, there is no case, you're all just jealous bastards

[quote]They lost their right to NOT BE TALKED ABOUT when they became rich and famous.[/quote]
I respect you dude, but that is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Seriously... You're a musician aren't you? A guitarist or w/e, so if you by any chance become a famous rocker I can say whatever the f**k I want about you? That's opposed to now? Right...

Again, it's just a really stupid thing to say.

[quote]Dammit, you wanna fight me for a fuckin' opinion, you're more than welcome to, just not here.[/quote]
Why not here? This is the topic of the thread isn't it? And we're all talking about the same person and thing right? Why the hell can't we debate over this? Are you scared or something? (lol)

[quote]I'm in no mood to deal with moralities.[/quote]
Shouldn't have called her a whore than.

[quote]Besides, if we didn't JUDGE her, she wouldn't be FAMOUS.[/quote]
That's kinda dumb. I'll bet you didn't even know who the f**k Jojo was until you saw her on MTV or heard her on the radio. If you wanted to have judged her, you should have done that when she was auditioning/preforming at that Star Search thing a few years back. Or when she was on Oprah or some talkshow where she preformed. Judge her then, not now. She got famous on her own.

Your term is backwards. If she wasn't famous, we wouldn't judge her.

Owned.

[quote]Think through the fuckin' industry[/quote]
She got famous on her own dude, she worked [i]her[/i] ass off and searched the newspaper clippings [i]herself[/i] to get where she was today. She didn't become famous for having reach celebrity parents or having her own sitcom on the Disney Channel.

[fallenangel]

I love it when people play the jealousy card. There are a lot of people I'm jealous of, but little miss Jojo certainly isn't one of them. I believe it's you who needs to grow the fuck up and realize what kind of industry it is. It's not rainbows and sunshine, and the instant your album goes to press, you've lost all ability to not be judged. It's a mean business, and that's just one of the reasons little kids shouldn't be in it.

But just to clear up a few other matters, here's some other problems with "Jojo":

She's 13. No one, and I mean no one, should be in the record industry at that age. They shouldn't be in the record industry at 13, 14, 15, or 16. Teenagers lack the business skills, period. They are the most commonly used as label puppets to be flavor of the month money machines because they're so in love with the idea of being famous and making a record. It's ridiculous. At 13 she lacks the experience to make it and survive. A musician needs experience just as an artist needs real world experience. They need to perform in front of people and be criticized and helped, fall down a few times, completely fail, and pick themselves up. An artist needs to have their work torn to shreds so they can fix it and become better. If in the first couple years you were drawing you were thrown into a gallery, that's stupid. You're still just developing, and perhaps the gallery can come up with a good spin on your work, put it in a pretty frame, and promote the hell out of it, but ultimately your work and reputation will suffer due to your inexperience.

And you said 13 is the age kids start thinking about sex...well no shit. But [i]most[/i] kids aren't out doing it, nor should they be. They may think it, but that doesn't make it right for her to be out there singing about it. And I don't care if she wrote it, it still comes off as completely [i][b]fake[/b][/i]. I could write a song about being a secret agent, and it would sound completely stupid because I'm obviously not. Just because you can write it and know enough to write it, doesn't make it appropriate. Sing what you know, and unless she's been dating and sleeping around, she's not doing that.

I could care less where she came from, honestly. I don't care if she came from the gutters of Idaho (does Idaho even have gutters?) and was living on the streets. Pretty much [i]all[/i] worthwhile musicians came from worse than she did. Abusive homes, poverty, living on the streets, in roach infested warehouses while they played clubs without getting paid just trying to get a buzz going. Dropped out of school and living in a dirty apartment off the sunset strip hoping to get a label to their show and sign a deal. Absolute poverty. Who cares? It's nothing special, and is quite the norm (in the respectable music business, pop stars do not count). Except little Jojo hasn't lived long enough to even make an effort. She's a little girl who needs to grow up and mature before she becomes another empty pop princess.

Kids are trying to become famous too early. They're shooting for the big time before even growing up. Brent Muscat (my avatar) was 17 when Faster Pussycat was signed, and that's the absolute youngest I'd say they should be. Taime and the rest were older, and even then they'd been playing the clubs for years. You can't be a good musician without living and learning, fall down on a small scale instead of royally failing in the big leagues. Wouldn't you rather have someone tell you your drawing needed major work in a casual conversation than have it be hanging in a gallery and truly suck? These kids are, for all intensive purposes, throwing away their chance at a real career. They are. They're worse than child actors. They'll forever be known as the little kid with bubblegum songs, a novelty. Good luck getting anyone to take you seriously afterwards. Look at Britney, her fans are growing out of her, and the newest group of youngsters are into pop punk, so her fanbase is falling away (as proven by the latest falling concert figures). She has no wide appeal as an older, mature, respectable musician does. She's cheesy teen pop, and if anyone wants a 5 year career of being plastic garbage...well I pity them.

Really, don't [i]ever[/i] try to play the jealousy card. I'm horribly jealous of Joan Jett, Chrissie Hynde, Cyndi Lauper, Lita Ford, Pat Benatar... Little Jojo can have her year or so of fame and be forgotten. Not my problem.
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[ragingflea002]

Does it have to be smart though? Stupidity is what builds the MEDIA. It owns it all, which is why posers are taking over the stages.

Yeah, I'm a guitarist, but I'm not rich and famous, and right now, I don't care. I like to play because I like it. I can say whatever the f**k I want because you're doing the same thing.

This topic is based off JoJo, apparently. I suggest we keep it between her instead of the entire industry.

My term is right. If people hadn't judged her, she would have debuted as a singer mainstream.

She didn't get famous on her own. Someone hyped her image up. Know how many bands there are that are awesome, yet recieve nothing because they have no way to get beyond their towns? Thousands.

I'll judge when I want to because I'm a potential customer that HAS heard her because of friends and I'm TELLING you that I don't like her style, voice, or attitude. If I had a dime for every single insult thrown at RATM for their anti-political statements, I'd be richer than Bill Gates. Live with the opinions.

Oh, and HELL YEAH you can say whatever the Hell you want about me. Think I'll care? Maybe a little now, but when I sell some albums, I won't care what ONE person thinks. Depends on the person.

You're cool, dude, but the industry doesn't work on a moral system unless the FCC says so. People are rejected because they look bad. It's harsh, it really is. I've been shot down because I was "too young" at 14, yet she gets to sell albums at 13. There's no fair.

I judge people all the time Like: Axl sounds good here. Or "Zack really needed to tone it down here for the suspense to build". It's my part as the customer. They collect my cash, I should get to give opinions.


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[fallenangel]

Jojo:

Lyric

Fake. Yeah, I know kids are "dating" younger and younger these days, but it's puppy love. No one finds "the one" at that age, and the idea of a serious relationship is stupid. Does anyone other than 9-15 year olds really want to hear a song about a little girl dating? No. Cheap teen pop that has an easily influenced target audience who will buy anything if it's packaged right.

Lyric

I repeat, kids talking about "love" is lame. I don't care if they feel like they're in love, anyone over the age of 15 knows it's preteen infatuation. So where's the audience? Kids who will grow out of it, that's where. Were she older and more experienced, those lyrics might fly (though they're still rather lame), but as a 13-year-old girl they don't work.

Lyric

What 13-year-old has a car? :huh: A dude with a nice car is typically older...much older... Just sayin'. Another instance of "what the-?"

Lyric

Yeah, I hope she doesn't go bar-hoppin'...considering she's [i]13-years-old[/i]. She may have written the songs, but she's not writing what she knows. She's writing what she's heard. There's a difference. I've listened to hundreds of people talk about being junkies, but I've never touched heroin or coke, so I can't write a good song about it, and I know that.

"Every night when we get home
Undercover talking on the phone
Here comes my mother
It's way too late
Might get in trouble "

For once she wrote some firsthand lyrics... but like I said before, who do they relate to? Kids. Relating to kids is a guaranteed short, meaningless career. And when she's 24, would she still be able to sing these songs without sounding stupid? Singing about being caught talking to the cute boy? Lame.


Are you getting our point now, or do I need to continue? :rolleyes:

EDIT: Shhh, Flea, clearly we are jealous of her super cool style and mad lyric writing skillz. I've always wanted to be a 13-year-old sex kitten whose career will be dead in two years max. My life long dream... Forget being Lita Ford who has always been extremely talented, worked her ass off as an [i]adult[/i], and is still an appealing musician... I wanna be the teen pop girl! Riiiiiight. Man.
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[ragingflea002]

We are not worthy so much as to gather up the crumbs from under thy table o merciless JoJo.


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[fallenangel]

I wanna be Jojo even more than I want to be Tiffany or Debbie Gibson! :wub: Oh the honor...

Flea and I [i]know[/i] the industry and [i]know[/i] what that fame is really like (as well as respectable industry recognition, underground recognition, etc). Don't speak to us as if we're snot nosed kids whining about mtv while watching Real World 24/7 and secretly dancing to Britney songs all day. Go to the mtv.com boards if you want to try to "own" people like that.

I can argue Jojo as long as you want, but will be leaving shortly to go film a news segment for tomorrow. But I'll be back in an hour to hour n' a half and will be happy to provide yet more evidence to her worthlessness.
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[ragingflea002]

Fallen, my response wasn't directed at you. In fact, the about 27 minutes between our posts, I spent writing mine.

To be honest, I've been in a bit of a pissed off mood lately, so I'm sorry for any harsh comments. I still think some people have forgotten about the industry, and Jojo has pretty much proven that it's getting easier and easier IF you look the look, talk the talk, and walk the walk. Why is the talent going down while the sales rise? People like bad stuff? Or has the stuff we've considered bad become quality?
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