Nirvana

azure-draco · Very bored Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 177

Ok. I don't get it..but why does a band like Nirvana get [b]so[/b] much praise? I mean, thier music is ok but it's nothing worth crapping your pants over.

And then whenever someone mentions 'grunge' music SOMEBODY has to mention Nirvana..geez. There is MORE to grunge rock then Nirvana you know!

sometimes I get the impression that Kurt's whole image and 'suicide' thing is what makes this band so widely popular. Have you ever noticed how so many people talk about Kurt Cobain more then the music itself? I also hate it when people debate and make such a big deal about his death...like he was the first person who die on earth.

I don't mean to offend any Nirvana fans out there..I just feel the band itself is overrated..

Anyone else feel this way?

unfocused · Moderator Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 6983 Location: Texas

No, you're the only one who feels this way.

Nirvana was HUGE before Cobain Killed himself, many people call "Smells Like Teen Spirit" the rock or grunge anthem. How many bands get their songs called 'anthems'? I remember watching his last video on MTV before he died. Nirvana, in [i]my[/i] opinion, was as popular and loved by just as many before Cobain went south.

On your grunge rant-thing, Nirvana was the articulation of grunge. Maybe [i]that's[/i] why you hear them when people mention grunge. And compared to Nirvana, no, there isn't much more to grunge rock.

The suicide made them more popular, of course, it would do that to any band, but only in the sense of media overflow. People who would have never heard of them did because they seen it on the news.

Nah, Nirvana isn't over-rated.
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fallenangel · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject:

They're overrated. Now, I'm not saying they weren't good, a lot of Kurt's writing was excellent. However, they are not the end all be all of music, and that's exactly what a lot of people make them out to be. And it is because of his suicide.

No, not because it adds some mystery or level of "cool" to the band. To some people it might, but not in general. Kurt killing himself propelled the band's legacy because it let them go out on top. They never got a chance to release a lackluster album or for the public to lose interest in favor of a new trend. Could he have gone on to write something even better? Maybe. But there's just as much chance he would have, as most other groups do, eventually released something that wasn't up to par.

But because he killed himself at the height of fame, that's all people remember. This amazing band with great lyrics. There's no farewell tours being beaten into the ground like KISS or performers who should just give it up because they've lost their passion or bitter breakup and shitty replacement "Nirvana" with one original member to soil the name.

What they did do was great in terms of writing, but it's not as fabulous as everyone makes it out to be. My personal pet peeve with the band is two things. One, the angst-ridden kiddies who jizz all over the band because they think it's "cool" and really don't even like them. "Omg they're soooo deep!" when they couldn't even describe what a single set of lyrics mean to them. And the fact it was the inspiration for DIY "rock stars" of today. Kids look at Kurt and his simple guitar and think "I could do that! I'm gonna be a rock star..." Kurt worked because a decade of glitz and guitar gods was just playing out. It was a rebellion and proof that you don't need a big guitar solo, vocal virtuoso, and lots of pyro to make a good song. Bands today that take after Kurt are just being lazy. All the simple music, none of the writing talent.

They were good for what they were, and Kurt [i]was[/i] a great writer, but they aren't [i]as good[/i] as a lot of people make them out to be.
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unfocused · Moderator Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 6983 Location: Texas

[quote]My personal pet peeve with the band is two things. One, the angst-ridden kiddies who jizz all over the band because they think it's "cool" and really don't even like them. "Omg they're soooo deep!" when they couldn't even describe what a single set of lyrics mean to them[/quote]
Well, that's actually aimed towards those angst-ridden kiddies, don't blame the band for having some idiot followers.

[quote]it was the inspiration for DIY "rock stars" of today. Kids look at Kurt and his simple guitar and think "I could do that! I'm gonna be a rock star..." Kurt worked because a decade of glitz and guitar gods was just playing out. It was a rebellion and proof that you don't need a big guitar solo, vocal virtuoso, and lots of pyro to make a good song. Bands today that take after Kurt are just being lazy. All the simple music, none of the writing talent[/quote]
That is so true.

But anyone back then who rebelled againsts dressing and looking like Dee Snider is cool in [i]my[/i] book.

I think the writing was good, and the tunes were catchy. But I also think that most bands today, even the popular ones, are lazy. the Peppers atleast still use decent solo's that don't go unoticed, they put emphasis on them. Slash's solo's were [i]his[/i] moment alone, it seemed all the other band members would shut up and step aside and let him do his thing. Hardly anyone does that anymore.

This over-rated bull is just those asngst-ridden kiddies looking for a place in social society. I don't hear any [i]real[/i] artists talking up Nirvana. I like them, not the biggest fan, but I don't think they're over-rated, atleast not with those kiddies inspiring these feelings you two have.

All in all, it doesn't matter what any of us think, Nirvana will be loved by TOO many to be forgotten, will always be considered 'Great', and will have more and more offspring of little Nirvana-wannabies, always.
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fallenangel · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject:

[quote]Well, that's actually aimed towards those angst-ridden kiddies, don't blame the band for having some idiot followers.[/quote]

No, my personal dislike of those people is directed to them, but I'm saying the band is overrated [b]by[/b] those people. You see it all the time, fansites, magazine articles, television specials, all talking about Nirvana while touching themselves like they were the coming of Jesus with a guitar.

Big name lists of "best guitarists" (as in skill) directed to young people often put Kurt in the top ten. He was a great musician, but his strength was in writing, not technical playing. He gets the spot for Nirvana's popularity. You can argue that Kurt was good when it comes to writing and knowing how to do understated guitar playing, but his music definitely didn't demonstrate the most skilled playing of all time.

And that's why they're overrated. They're given excessive recognition for things they didn't do.
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unfocused · Moderator Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 6983 Location: Texas

[quote]Big name lists of "best guitarists" (as in skill) directed to young people often put Kurt in the top ten[/quote]
Yeah, what the hell is up with that? I never thought he was that good at guitar playing. But still, the music was good, not just the writing.

I don't pay attention to magazines about Cobain. Or fansites. I know alot of people who love Nirvana NOT because of all that. I have a friends with an original concert flyer, it's so cool. I'm too old to hang around with children who 'follow the leader', I guess that's why I ignored your reasons on why their over-rated. I don't count all that sh!t. The fans I know aren't like that.

Kurt isn't one of the best guitarist, not even close. But the music is good, I think. The writing is very good.

But I'm approaching this in a nuetral way now. Keep in mind that if this topic was about Slash being only half of what he was in his GnR days, you'll be all over it. So I think your opinions can be a little misguided when it comes to things you like and dislike and inbetween, that's with everyone, I'm not aiming it towards any of you two at all.
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fallenangel · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject:

I like Nirvana, so I don't see the point of that last paragraph. You know I'll swing from Axl's balls to the end, but I'll still rip him a new one in every way imaginable. Same for Slash. And anyone, really. My opinions of Nirvana and anyone else as far as recognition and how "good" they are/were are more neutral than you may think. Wink

Most of what I like sucks a whole lot of ass skill-wise (Poison anyone?). And I'll happily admit that.

[quote]I guess that's why I ignored your reasons on why their over-rated. I don't count all that sh!t. The fans I know aren't like that. [/quote]

But that's what makes something overrated. The majority image/perception of the group. Their pop culture persona, and Nirvana's is more inflated than it should be.

The point is that, sure, there's a lot of realistic, down to earth fans. I'm one of them. But as far as Nirvana's popular legacy, they're not as great as they're made out to be.
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Tulips_and_Chimneys · Very bored Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 182

theyre big because their creditied with creating a new genre of music. it doesnt mean its great it just means it was original then.

Ogrim_Doomhammer · Oldbie Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2116

Well I love Nirvana... When I Cobain killed himself i was 2 years old so i didnt know about anything about him. when i was 11i discovered my brothers cd collection, I searched through it, all GnR, Blind melon and nirvana. I played the cd's and loved Nrvana and GnR. Actually my brother has almost all the cds...

I think that Nirvana isnt so over rated, reason, none.
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azure-draco · Very bored Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 177

[quote="Tulips_and_Chimneys (reggie)"]theyre big because their creditied with creating a new genre of music.[/quote]
wow. you know how ignorant that sounded?

first off, Nirvana was not the first band out there who created 'grunge'. Other early grunge bands like Dinosaur Jr. and Greenriver came much before Nirvana did. Not only that but those are the bands that Nirvana is hailed to originate. Dinosaur Jr. has been around 1983 and Green River around 1981 while Nirvana came out in 1987..a 4 and 6 year gap. What I am trying to say here is that Nirvana did NOT create 'grunge' and yet it's sad how they are credited so. Green River's Homepage pretty much sums that up..

So that is why I feel that Nirvana is such an overrated band. Besides, instead of being drowned and narrow-minded and only sticking to Nirvana as the 'only grunge band worthy', why not check out others? Sonic Youth, Jesus Lizard, Pixies, Alice in Chains are other good grunge bands that deserve a listen.

Nirvana is a good band.. but it sickens me to the stomach how people think they're the only good grunge rock band around. They got a few good songs, and hell, they're great compared to all this other mainstream crap floating around.

Ok..I'm done with my rant. sorry if I offended anybody...it's just I needed to get that out of my system..

[quote]No, my personal dislike of those people is directed to them, but I'm saying the band is overrated by those people. You see it all the time, fansites, magazine articles, television specials, all talking about Nirvana while touching themselves like they were the coming of Jesus with a guitar. [/quote]
THANK YOU! That is exactly what I'm talking about. Fallen, you truely are the most knowledgable when it comes to music related stuff.. ^_^

qtlilhunnibear · Member Joined: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 57

yeah i have noticed that when people say NIRVANA it gets into a big conversation about if kurt did kill himself or kurt is so hot..i personally dont like nirvana and things like that just make me get turned off them even more.