Final Fantasy 7 Theories

[KeheiZero]

If Jenova was in control, why is she the first of the string of final bosses in the crater? Surely if she was in control, she'd make Sephiroth attack first.
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[Elbreth]

Sephiroth was in control of Jenova.
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[Stratadrake]

Sephiroth was cloned from Jenova cells ... perhaps Sephiroth [i]was[/i] Jenova?
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[Elbreth]

Sephiroth was not cloned.

He was injected with Jenova cells while in the womb - he's not a clone, he's a real person.

[Stratadrake]

...or is he? Unlike Cloud, for example, Sephiroth was essentially [i]born[/i] with Jenova cells. Was there ever a Sephiroth apart from Jenova?
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[Elbreth]

Yes. There was. There had to be a foetal mass for the cells to be injected into.

Sephiroth is certainly not Jenova.

[Pyrodragon125]

Pwn3d. :wub:

Sephiroth went mad because he thought he was meant to do Jenova's bidding. The only thing in common was that he had Jenova cells in him.
There's a lot I don't get. I'm hoping someone will get the story right in here. The person who made the thread sure as hell didn't.
I used to get it, right after I finished the game. Now I can't remember so whatever. Screw FFVII until FFVII:AC comes out. I'm gonna go play some Fire Emblem.

[Elbreth]

I think I know a reasonable amount about it - what don't you understand and I'll have a think about it?

[Pyrodragon125]

Just the main relationship with Cloud and Sephiroth. I forget the thing that you find out about them late in the game that puts most of it all together..... :wacko:

[Stratadrake]

[quote] Yes. There was. There had to be a foetal mass for the cells to be injected into.

Sephiroth is certainly not Jenova.[/quote]

Genetically speaking, yes. I'd hate to start a beginning-of-life or nature-vs-nurture debate, but how much of the Sephiroth [i]we know[/i] came from the human cells, and how much came from Jenova?

Sephiroth had no experiences ('identity') prior to infusion with Jenova cells... unlike Cloud.
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[Elbreth]

Sephiroth is not Jenova. Sorry to put it so bluntly but he simple is not.

"Out of my way. I'm going to see [b]my mother[/b]."

"...that which adds to the knowledge of... I am becoming one with the Planet. [b]Mother... it's almost time... Soon... we will become one.[/b]"

Quite clearly refered to as seperate entities.

[Elbreth]

Examine the game.

Let's pretend we don't know who the true antagonist is for a moment, let's just look at what his/her or it's prime objective was: to wound the planet and absorb it's almost limitless spiritual energy to become a God of sorts which would rule over the planet that remains.

It can be one of two people/things:

Sephiroth: A maniacal soldier who feels he has a right to claim the planet as his own, as he (mistakenly) believes himself to be one of the Ancients.

Jenova: An asexual alien mass that travels from planet to planet absorbing the life-force and moving on.

So, we're looking for an enemy that does not wish to simply feed on the energy and move on.

So, why the hell would you think that it's Jenova, an alien parasite, that is in control? It doesn't make sense.


He carried the peices of Jenova as he needed them to create a "puppet" form of himself from the body parts to do his bidding. Then, once everything is in place he'd let Reunion take place, meld with Jenova and absorb the life essence becoming a God. The Jenova cells allow for mutation (hence the Hojo transformations and the Sephiroth transformations)

[Pyrodragon125]

[quote="ironchefsakai (snake plisken)"] Jenova was in control of Sepiroth's conscience the whole time. And it was her that that planned the whole meteor thing useing Sepiroth all along as a host. Kind of like what she did when she battled against the Cetra. And since we all know Sepiroth's real body was encased within the nothern crater, it was only his mind projecting all of the images you see of his physical form. I figure since he was injected with Jenova cells she became part of him acting as virus (since technicaly thats what she is). So my point is, it was all Jenova's doing from the start. And if anyone remembers she only has one line in the whole game in which she says "because you are only a puppet". This further leads me to think that she was in fact, the real mastermind behind the meteor plan. [/quote]
Fine, you really want me to disprove your theory THAT badly? I didn't have the time, but if you want to go around calling me an ignorant fool, little n00b, you can kiss my ass.

If Jenova was in control of Sephiroth the whole time, then why is it that he had to read about his past before he did anything about it? Sephiroth was a seeker of power beyond control. If anything, he was using Jenova as a puppet. Like someone said earlier (why I didn't bother to repeat..), if Jenova was in control, why did you kill her off before even fighting Sephiroth? Jenova cells, if you remember, made them stronger.
[quote]He carried the peices of Jenova as he needed them to create a "puppet" form of himself from the body parts to do his bidding. Then, once everything is in place he'd let Reunion take place, meld with Jenova and absorb the life essence becoming a God. The Jenova cells allow for mutation (hence the Hojo transformations and the Sephiroth transformations) [/quote]
-Thank you for that one, Steven.

I said I didn't know MUCH. Doesn't mean I'm a retard. Sephiroth wanted power. Jenova was a puppet. Sephiroth was the antagonist of the plot, hence the final battle was between Sephiroth and Cloud. Essentially it was a battle of good versus evil.

Bite me, n00b.

[Elbreth]

No problem - I hope this topic goes on for ages... can't help but love to hypothesise of Final Fantasy VII.

[Pyrodragon125]

I just love how the focus changes throughout the game. It goes from a rebel group taking out factories to a meteor being summoned to create a giant crater in the world. Lovely. :wub:

[Elbreth]

I think it's probably the most beautifully paced game ever made - some games can have feeling of a cut-scene going on too long without battles and some may have sections where there's too many battles and not enough plot - I can't think of a single instance in FFVII where this happened.

[Pyrodragon125]

It does start off pretty slow. I mean that by after you blow up a reactor. It put off my friend from playing it. He literally refuses to play it, along with Kingdom Hearts. He's much too wowed simply with good graphics. If the plot sucks ass he doesnt care if the graphics are pretty. Not exactly the brightest crayon in the box.....
I love the plot of FFVII. I still don't really get what Cloud is........ :wacko:

[Stratadrake]

[quote]He's much too wowed simply with good graphics. If the plot sucks ass he doesnt care if the graphics are pretty.[/quote]
Don't you mean, if the graphics suck, then he doesn't care even if the plot is good?
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[Pyrodragon125]

I missed a comma. I meant to say that if the game he was playing had a horrible plot, he would think it was an amazing game if it had amazing graphics. And yes, if it had horrible graphics and a good plot, it's dependent on his stubborn attitude.
I guess nobody wants to remind me of the last part of the second disc of FFVII eh? I don't remember what the deal is with Cloud anymore.

[KeheiZero]

Wasn't Cloud a failed Sephiroth clone? I dunno, haven't played FFVII in a good while.
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