What Do You Think About Downloading Music?

Ogrim_Doomhammer · Oldbie Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2116

I just want to know what do you think about downloading music. If you do what software you use?
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fallenangel · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:32 pm Post subject:

Downloading entire albums or large portions of an artist's work is disgusting. No one is entitled to music, and you have to buy it for a reason. Downloading one song you like by that person and such is fine, because you really wouldn't buy the album for one song (typically). But people who have every song by that person and have never bought a record... Grr!

Pulling my classic story out of the closet again, perfect example. A little-known band named Samantha 7 released a debut a few years ago (fronted by the guitarist of Poison, so their name was out there among certain circles). It wasn't expected to be good, and a lot of people didn't want to spend the $12 buying the record if it turned out to suck. So they downloaded the whole thing. And they liked it. And the Sammy 7 album moved less than 5000 copies, but mysteriously all the audiences they played to knew all the songs. So because people were jackoffs and got the album for free, Sammy 7 didn't get the chance to make a followup (there were other factors dealing with Poison, but the bad sales figures didn't give them label support either).

Downloading doesn't hurt Metallica or Britney Spears, but it sure as hell hurts the smaller bands. On the other side of things, it can easily be used to promote a smaller band. But at some point it all comes back to people buying the records. Download all the songs you want, but [i]buy the fuckin' album[/i].

To answer the question, I download bootlegs and rare material. Things that were never on an album, foreign B-sides, etc. And I still buy my music (off to do it now, actually, hello Billy Idol...)
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Beatlechick90 · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject:

[quote]Downloading entire albums or large portions of an artist's work is disgusting. No one is entitled to music, and you have to buy it for a reason. Downloading one song you like by that person and such is fine, because you really wouldn't buy the album for one song (typically).[/quote]

Yeah, that's what I do. In fact, if there's a big-name artist out there who seems good to me, I download a couple of their songs off of Limewire to see if they're any good (as I'm doing right now with Jewel). Downloading got me into the Beatles. (You can take that as a good thing or a bad thing.)
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fallenangel · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject:

I use LimeWire too, since Audiogalaxy died (years ago). RIP Audiogalaxy, that place was awesome. So many rare clips... :wub: And a forum for every artist. So cool...

And I'll download things for class projects, soundtracks and whatnot. Had to do a soundtrack for a huge final project, and I obviously wasn't going to buy an album for the one song I needed. That's ideally what downloading should be for, a solution to having to record that one song you like off the radio. Not get music for free. Sad

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Zekk · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject:

I download of Itunes so I get cheaper prices (usually) and its fully legal.

fallenangel · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject:

Yeah, should have included that I'm talking about downloading entire albums for free. LimeWire, KaZaA, winMX, what have you.
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azure-draco · Very bored Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 177

i use limewire. I try NOT to download entire alblums though..I see that as stealing. However, I think downloading music is a great way to listen to a few tracks of a band before buying thier CDs. I mean, what waste it is to buy a cd thinking it's good from it's reviews and not liking it afterward? ^^;

for some reason, I never feel guilty about downloading songs from maintream music. They got enough exposure, right? now when it comes to underground bands like Dissection, Orphaned Land, and Dark Tranquility....that is when it's good to buy the actual CDs. after all, those are the bands that need support and money ^_^

Ogrim_Doomhammer · Oldbie Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2116

Well, myself I download music but i only download if there is only one song in the record that I like. For example the other day my friend wanted to download some velvet revolver music and i told him to buy the record because slither and fall to pieces arent the only good tracks. Also i download with Ares galaxy but i dont download entire albums.
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fallenangel · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject:

Velvet Revolver has an awesome album if you put it in your PC. The mini-application that opens lets you email as many of the tracks to as many people as you want, and lets them keep the tracks for ten days before they'll stop working. Great for people who want to share the songs with people to let them check it out without outright giving them the whole album worth of songs. I know I sent Flea about half the album when it came out.

That's what bands need to do. Sure, it won't stop people from downloading completely, but it's a productive solution to help that fraction of people who do download for that reason.
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Ogrim_Doomhammer · Oldbie Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2116

exactly thats what i thought when he bought it Very Happy

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coolgirlkdd · Forum contributor Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 704

I download time to time like songs from albums i can't find and songs that i really like and don't want to wait on the radio just to hear it you know? yeah so i tend to download very rarely. Our technology today is haywire and i don't feel like getting sued or pirating you know what i mean? so yeah not so often but time to time. It also's steals money from our beloved artists and bands. we don't want them to go away do we? HELL NO!
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KeheiZero · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject:

I don't download whole albums, maybe just a song or two I like. If I want it that much, I'll go out and buy the damn thing. Generally I download some songs I like, or stuff I know I won't be able to get easily. Like Fallen said, rare stuff and all that.
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Elbreth · Still very bored Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 334

I download full albums - quite proudly so.

Disgusting? That's a pretty retarded statement.

While I do not like The Beatles or John Lennon, he made a very valid point:

"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."

Ogrim_Doomhammer · Oldbie Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2116

Its not disgusting but artists work hard for em and you are stealing their money!
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Tulips_and_Chimneys · Very bored Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 182

i usually only download songs of people i cant find anywhere and thats onyl if it s a few songs. since i listen to alot of underground stuff i like to buy the cd's because i figure if i like them i should be supportive seeing as how they probably are sleeping on people's floors and eating ramen while on tour. plus i dont know about you kids but i appreciate some of the artwork that goes into the cds and i like having them such as silent drive's cd. i like their design. Smile

fallenangel · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:

[quote]While I do not like The Beatles or John Lennon, he made a very valid point:
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."
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It's everyone's to listen to. If there were no industry, there would be no music to download. There would be no worldwide tours. Who puts up the money for those? Record labels (as well as private sponsors, music television channels, blah blah blah). If bands didn't sell records, they would have no recording contract. Can't download music that hasn't been recorded, can you, pookie?

The labels have a lot more to do than simply distributing the albums and collecting the money for them. It's true, royalties to bands is very small. You're really not stealing any money from them directly by downloading entire albums. But by diminishing sales, record labels don't get their money back they've invested in the group, drop them, and subsequently there is no new recorded music to download. And that happens all the time with artists.

Now, sure, with ProTools and today's technology you could practically record Dr. Feelgood in your bedroom. Throw the tracks on the internet or self-produce the album, and you get around the label technicality. However, by doing that, you also don't get the promotion, exposure, or representation a label provides.

It's a very idealistic way to think, that music is free, and in theory it should be. Record it off the radio and it is, save the cost of the tape. But as long as there's an industry, labels and sales will still be a huge factor. It's not a matter of thinking it's morally wrong to download music (I more or less don't), it's that logistically it doesn't work with the industry, especially for smaller bands. Yeah, a lot of them are thrilled even if you do download the songs, but it doesn't change the fact they need those sales to keep their deals, unless they're on incredibly small pissant or independent labels. Then it typically doesn't matter.
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slet · Still very bored Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 271

I agree with what Fallen stated earlier this thread. I hate people downloading music. Only music I download are bootlegs which cannot be bought in the stores anyway.

waitingforanending · Very bored Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 140

I agree with fallen ....My opinion: thought when i need to find bands that you can't buy i recod for them im ok with it, to download an intire album is taking away from the artisit work. But one or two songs are fine. I have a lot of friends who will downlad all the work by one Artist in one night and it unervs. However I can't say i don't download I do just not large amounts of music a song that i can't find anywhere. But with mp3's it's seems so much easier just to downlad i straight from the net. But I stick to my good'ol cd player ^_^

cherry-chi-hiwatari · Forum Stalker Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 1143

i only ever download a few songs i really like , if i want the album im more likley to go buy it than download it .

gemmie-chi · Very bored Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 122

i download music for my MP3 but i use kazaa